Curse

Ninna · Nov 21, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk

Majority of my best memories are before Factions was released

I can say this about any online game ive played

my best memories of Everquest was before any expansions

my best memories of Dark Age of Camelot was before any expansions

my best memories of Diablo2 was before any expansions

and I'm sure WoW players will say the same thing once the WoW expansion is released

expansions rarely match or exceed the "original" experience

Master of Ascalon · Nov 21, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

I'm to the point now that I'm just hanging on for the next update. If there aren't some major changes to the gameplay, I'm done. The AI is horrible. There are no truly rare items since anyone can make any item perfect. The grind in NF has made it so that I can't even bear to finish with my second character. I need skill points to buy skills, but there's no fast way to get them anymore, not to mention the fact that they cost 1k each and nothing has any value anymore. The old armors are now useless along with the old weapons so we're stuck with the crappy NF skinned armors. I really don't see how anyone thought this was a good idea.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 21, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Master of Ascalon

I'm to the point now that I'm just hanging on for the next update. If there aren't some major changes to the gameplay, I'm done. The AI is horrible. There are no truly rare items since anyone can make any item perfect. The grind in NF has made it so that I can't even bear to finish with my second character. I need skill points to buy skills, but there's no fast way to get them anymore, not to mention the fact that they cost 1k each and nothing has any value anymore. The old armors are now useless along with the old weapons so we're stuck with the crappy NF skinned armors. I really don't see how anyone thought this was a good idea.

Well some of that is due to some similar complaints that you're making. The inscription system applying to NF only items so that people won't go berserk over their Tyrian/Canthan stuff being "worthless"

Funny how your one complaint about there being "no truly rare items" because of the inscription system was actually the cause of your other complaint about being stuck with "crappy NF skinned" items. Hopefully they will eventually allow the inscription system to be global. Still, that won't fix your complaint about no truly rare items..... but whatever.

I do agree with you on the cost of skills, though. They really should lower the capped price on them.

Pudin Tame · Nov 21, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Well some of that is due to some similar complaints that you're making. The inscription system applying to NF only items so that people won't go berserk over their Tyrian/Canthan stuff being "worthless"

Funny how your one complaint about there being "no truly rare items" because of the inscription system was actually the cause of your other complaint about being stuck with "crappy NF skinned" items. Hopefully they will eventually allow the inscription system to be global. Still, that won't fix your complaint about no truly rare items..... but whatever.

I do agree with you on the cost of skills, though. They really should lower the capped price on them.

Do you troll in every thread on Guru? I swear I see you posting everywhere just taking a contadictory approach to anyone with a valid point. Why don't you go play GW. You seem to love it so much.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 21, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Pudin Tame

Do you troll in every thread on Guru? I swear I see you posting everywhere just taking a contadictory approach to anyone with a valid point. Why don't you go play GW. You seem to love it so much.

Oh noes! I contradict people! I must be a troll! Oh wait, you're disagreeing with me, so you must be a troll too!

And you're wrong. If I posted in every thread that I disagreed with, I'd have a billion posts. And stop with the troll accusations. They're getting really old and boring. Seriously.

And I'm at "work" and I don't always play GW every waking hour.

Trvth Jvstice · Nov 21, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

A troll post is one that completely goes against what the vast majority of forum members think and is done simply to provoke a ton of protest posts.

Sid's post simply disagreed with someone's opinion. It's obvious that the person he quoted made a huge generalization and exaggeration in their post. = not a troll

Gorebrex · Nov 21, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Wow, I wasnt aware that disagreeing = trolling. Ill make a note. From what Ive seen in posts here, and in in-game chat, the weapons with inherent mods are still rare, though "perfect" items are more easily obtainable. I have no use for inscriptions(no NF yet), but it would be a great convience, instead of having to go on missions/quasi-farm in high level areas, in hopes of getting a max damage weapon I can put a mod on.

Pudin Tame · Nov 21, 2006, 08:00 PM // 20:00

You are the definition of a troll. It's not an accusation. Your employer must be proud to have such a hard worker.

Pudin Tame · Nov 21, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Gorebrex

Wow, I wasnt aware that disagreeing = trolling. Ill make a note. From what Ive seen in posts here, and in in-game chat, the weapons with inherent mods are still rare, though "perfect" items are more easily obtainable. I have no use for inscriptions(no NF yet), but it would be a great convience, instead of having to go on missions/quasi-farm in high level areas, in hopes of getting a max damage weapon I can put a mod on.

He said "truly rare". It's much easier to get a rare skin in Prophecies than it is to get one that's 15^50...that's rare.

Disagreeing does not a troll make, but when every post in every thread posted in is a disagreement. That = troll.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 21, 2006, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Thanks Trvth Jvstice and Gorebrex. I was starting to think the definition of trolling was changing...

And Pudin Tame, Keep those throwing those troll accusations at me though...doesnt make you look like one at all. No sir-ree.

Pudin Tame · Nov 21, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Thanks Trvth Jvstice and Gorebrex. I was starting to think the definition of trolling was changing...

And Pudin Tame, Keep those throwing those troll accusations at me though...doesnt make you look like one at all. No sir-ree.

The difference is, I agree with people. You agree with no one. You've made countless posts just today. You've even complained that when you report people who don't agree with you nothing happens. That should be clue number one. Do you work for ANet by chance?

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 21, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Pudin Tame

You've even complained that when you report people who don't agree with you nothing happens.

When did I ever say that? And obviously you have no idea what trolling means. You can't find a valid point to argue with me, so like so many others, you resort to the cry of "troll!" instead.

Now, keep derailing this thread please.

Goose123 · Nov 21, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

I've been following this post for a awhile and I just have to say that I agree, its been harder and harder for me to continue playing guild wars now with all the new updates. I've only gotten one character through nightfall, all the rest are stuck in sunspear sanctuary because i don't feel like grinding them to sunspear general or that getting them through the missions just dont feel as fun anymore.

Narutoscryed · Nov 21, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Master of ascilon is right about the items being to cheap.

as of right now i have in my possession about 800k about 300k of it farmed post nightfall release..

At this point im having trouble finding an item of intrest that i would like

i already have fow armor so no need for that.
i already have a good dwarven axe and no need for that
i do not like crystalines.. so no

and all the supposed new skins are gonna be about 60k here in a few weeks.. like the ele sword and all the dead items.. and the feiry gladius and defanatly gonna be almost worthless...

so he is right about items being worthless..

and with that kind of wealth just sitting around alot of players that have already purchased those three things..i stated are sittting around wondering what to spend money on next...

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 21, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

Master of ascilon is right about the items being to cheap.

as of right now i have in my possession about 800k about 300k of it farmed post nightfall release..

At this point im having trouble finding an item of intrest that i would like

i already have fow armor so no need for that.
i already have a good dwarven axe and no need for that
i do not like crystalines.. so no

and all the supposed new skins are gonna be about 60k here in a few weeks.. like the ele sword and all the dead items.. and the feiry gladius and defanatly gonna be almost worthless...

so he is right about items being worthless..

and with that kind of wealth just sitting around alot of players that have already purchased those three things..i stated are sittting around wondering what to spend money on next...

So if you have FOW armor, dwarven axes and crystalines then everything else is rendered worthless? Whether that is true or not, the majority of players don't even have a single one of those items. So items are very much worth something to those people.

Your case is just a case of someone who has just played too much and can't find anything else to do because you've done it all. Hardly ANET's problem that you're sitting on your vast wealth and finding nothing to do anymore. The majority of people sure aren't in the same boat as you.

lilnate22 · Nov 21, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

you kno wut bores me in NF? heros. yes they are fun but nf seems like a 1p game rather than a mmo...

SirErnieMacGloop · Nov 21, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

This thread is a case of alot of people arguing (SP?) against other peoples view/opinion, or taking a specific point expressed and trying to rip it to shreds.
You can't argue opinion, being bored or not being bored is an opinion.

I am not currently bored, still in the category of 'not bored yet'.

Once you get rid of the chaff this thread boils down to a couple points:
1. Some people are bored, and are voicing their opinions about it, regardless of the reason most never had this problem after finishing the prior chapters.
2. Some people are not bored, and are voicing their dis-belief that anyone can be bored this early after Nightfalls release, and voicing ways to alleviate that boredom.

Everything else has been outside the bounds of the discussion started by the OP. There has been flaming and trolling on both sides of this issue/debate, and quite frankly I am disgusted by it.

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 21, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

You are so right that the opinion of someone being bored can't be argued. But you can argue with some of the reasons people are giving.

For instance people saying "I'm bored because items are worthless" I can argue that items are not worthless. I am not arguing with his opinion of being bored. I can argue with people saying that they're bored because everyone is leaving. Because obviously people are still playing.

I'm disappointed in the way things have devolved in this thread too. But a lot of it is because too many just can't handle disagreements. And I'll say it again, most people arent disagreeing with your opinion but questioning some of the reasons that some of you try to pass off as facts.

No one here has said "Shut up! You're not bored!" In fact, the other side has accused people of lying about not being bored just to support their side and make arguments.

Narutoscryed · Nov 21, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

So if you have FOW armor, dwarven axes and crystalines then everything else is rendered worthless? Whether that is true or not, the majority of players don't even have a single one of those items. So items are very much worth something to those people.

Your case is just a case of someone who has just played too much and can't find anything else to do because you've done it all. Hardly ANET's problem that you're sitting on your vast wealth and finding nothing to do anymore. The majority of people sure aren't in the same boat as you.

hmm.. good point.. but the ammount of money i have is not as important as the ammount of money that any item costs...

Please allow me to explain.. lets say a player starts playing nightfall.. only nightfall its his first game in the series.. he playes untill yohlon refuge.. by that time that player has enough cash to buy his armor.. and almost any other perfect item in the game that he wants...

Now all he has to do is use his full group of henchman to farm greens with the henchie exploit and sell them quick..

In under the period of a day.. a player can afford about 90% of ingame items..

Now i may play to much.. this is obviously true.. but the player that has played for about 50 hours having that high of a percentage of ingame items available to him... well that seems to me a little problem that may need fixing..

But i for one have never really had a problem with items being insanley expensive.. even when i was new i totally dug the concept of items that blow your mind with the ammount of money they cost.. now only a few ingame items even come close to that.

And i do know that guild wars is a game that was not meant for grind.. and encourages ballence...

but i dont think they wanted a game that just hands you everything on a silver platter right off the bat...

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 21, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I think you're exagerrating a bit too much there. The new player that you used as an example wouldnt know about that exploit that you mentioned. I only knew about it a couple days ago from reading the forums.

And then you claim that the same new player can afford any one of 90% of items in the game in under a day. Even if that were true (which it isnt, not for new players especially after you said the same new player also bought some armor) how is that a bad thing to be able to afford at least one item for a day's worth of play? Being able to afford any one item of 90% items doesnt mean you have 90% of all the items.